Tuesday, November 16, 2004

Winn and Sims Anonymously Slanders Me And My Family

Well, just when I think that Winn and Sims can't shoot themselves in the foot any further, they do it again... There was a post I made over here where an Anonymous reader made some slanderous remarks (well technically it's libel because it was written, not spoken). Not thinking anything of it, I didn't look into it any further. My sister on the other hand thought it might be Winn and Sims. Knowing how an anonymous user really wouldn't be interested enough in this site to return again, it seemed a little suspicious when that same user returned to post again. So let's see here, this person slandered me and my family in the following ways (and these are all direct quotes):

  • You're a fucking asshole mother fucker

  • You're obviously a no-talent asshole

  • You know nothing about business

  • Why don't you get a life? Better yet, just drop dead

  • Fuck off and stay there....dick.

  • I am not affiliated with Winn & Sims (hmm, that seems like it might be a blatant lie)

  • asshole sister

  • he's gay

  • You are as equally pathetic

Now this is where it gets interesting. Apparently Winn and Sims underestimate my ability to track all users on my servers, including them (you would think they would realize this after I posted this, but ok).

So after, the second post I decided to pull the web logs to see who this person actually is... - - [16/Nov/2004:18:15:08 -0800] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 38964 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:15:08 -0800] "GET /style.css HTTP/1.1" 200 3177 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:15:09 -0800] "GET /images/letter.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 33972 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:15:09 -0800] "GET /images/building.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 47898 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:15:09 -0800] "GET /images/old.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 39440 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:16:40 -0800] "GET /2004/11/swift-efficiency.html HTTP/1.1" 200 5848 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:19:52 -0800] "GET /2004/10/dispute-settled.html HTTP/1.1" 200 7501 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:32:30 -0800] "GET /2004/08/obscene-letter-to-ralph.html HTTP/1.1" 200 5728 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" - - [16/Nov/2004:18:33:49 -0800] "GET /2004/09/why-i-wasnt-served-summons.html HTTP/1.1" 200 8736 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)"

Now, let's resolve the IP address:


Notice that the IP address for their website is the same as the user that posted the comments. Knowing that their server is a SuSE Linux machine that is physically located in their office, and also acts as their network gateway for their NAT, that means that whoever posted those comments was physically located within the Winn and Sims office.

It makes me wonder if this letter was actually written by Winn and Sims, then mailed to themselves to try and make me look bad to my attorney since the general tone and verbiage is similar. I think it would be unlikely, but everything about this seems like it should be unlikely as well. Just makes me wonder.


sean said...

This is truely amazing. Technology in the hands of the little guy brings great power. I definitely adore the Internet. Good job Shawn.

Vicious Summer said...

"asshole sister"?!!? Oh my gawd...I feel really sad, depressed and unable to work from this slanderous remark. I also am suffering from lack of sleep due to this unprovoked personal attack! I should probably sue (the most incompetent lawyers in california?)...

Anonymous said...

You are truly my hero. God bless usage stats!

Yelena said...

..I just love watching Shawn playing with those silly people.

piniyini said...

Ha! These so called "lawyers" just crack me up.

The internet - just because it says posted by "Anonymous" doesn't mean they actually are.

Obviously they know that now :-)

PS: God bless usage stats

Craig said...

Shawn, what you are doing here is TRULY fantastic.

Now, will you PLEASE make one of these for Sprint PCS?


Anonymous said...

Thanks for this site, Shawn. Winn and Sims filed a law suit against me on a disputed and unverified debt. I have had the pleasure of witnessing their tactics and learning a great deal about the legal system that allows corporations like Winn and Sims to apparently thrive. Ah, but my battle must be fought. Wish me luck.

Surfing San Diego .com said...

Sheefty, I use Sprint! The employees at the La Jolla Sprint Store are the worst! ... forget it..hehe

David said...

lol. this gets jucier all the time.

NewComputer said...

To the anonymous poster above engaged in the lawsuit with W&S, good luck. Make sure to present this in court ;)

Anonymous said...

I just recieved an (automated) call from 714-388-3080, telling me to call Don Metz (?) at the Law Offices of Winn & Sims. Erm, I'm in Utah. And I don't feel like making a long-distance call to hear about somone suing me... if they even have the right number. Guess they'll have to call me back IN PERSON if they want to speak with me. Great site, by the way, thanks for the info.

Anonymous said...

This is the most satisfying site I've read in weeks. One man takes on a building full of scumbag lawyers - using only free speech and the power of the Internet - and wins.

Score one for the common man!!!

Did anyone notice this site has had over a million visitors?

Note: I, too think you should sue them for defamation of character or something else. These lawyers are the worst of the worst. They deserve everything they get and worse.

Vicious Summer said...

This post and blog *still* makes me laugh...What a bunch of morons.

Me said...

Any new news on this?

Shawn said...

What kind of news are you waiting for? :)

Anonymous said...

I think its great that you beat them at their own game...the only shame is that imagine the countless people without the knowledge or resources you have at your disposal who they've been able to victimize.

Only think I would have done is gotten a little extra green off of them for your efforts...hell the interest off the $7 grand at least...

Carl Starrett said...

I just consulted with client today who was recently served with a lawsuit for a debt that dates back to 1996. Huh? The statute of limitations for breach of written contract is four years. I smell a lawsuit under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act if they don't dismiss this lawsuit very soon.

Mike Dammann said...

Not sure how exactly I've found this again, but I'm glad this is still standing ... like a pillar of truth :)


Anonymous said...

Yeah, Winn and Sims illegally harrassed me for months. By law if a debt-collection agency is told to stop calling a telephone number, the agency must stop calling. But Winn and Sims kept calling every day, no matter what, and their reps insisted that they'd keep calling until they got their money.

But this really isn't a David and Goliath story here--it's more of a David vs. David story, except one David has a slingshot (a telephone) and the other has a laser-guided missile (the Internet).

- A digitalpoint (Shawn's main site) member posting here anonymously for fear of retaliation by Winn and Sims

Michael Goldman said...

Just found this from blog now, that's funny. Will be following it to see how it ends ;)

Shawn said...

It ended... the most recent blog entry is more than a year old. :)

noni said...

Hope U may be able to help! I received a small claim from Winn and Sims and just wanted to see if you have any tips as to how to deal with them. I know very little on all the legal stuff? Anything would help.

This is such a pain!!


John said...

A nice 20 minute read about the pitfalls of the justice system - every court case I read about is always entertaining it seems...

FYI, anyone with a slight knowledge of the internet is familiar with IP impersonation. I would venture to say anyone wanting to leave anonymous comments (and leave them that way) would likely impersonate another IP, and what better one than the company you are in a protracted court battle with, Winn and Simms - not only leaving their tracks covered but giving you another set of tracks to follow in the process. Just a little food for thought.

Rose said...

How old are these people? Seesh!

Anonymous said...

Brian Winn's firm believes in giving consumers hell in their homes. Why don't we increase the fairness by helping the consumers respond at Brian Winn's own home.

(323) 665-2289

This is your golden chance!

OCDAC said...

Add the fact below to their long list of crookedness! file
has copies of the letter and the fake money orders.

Winn & Sims law firm tried to get me to endorse fake US Postal
money orders to pay off a debt I'm not personally responsible for.

I turned the fake money orders over to the postmaster at the
Spurgeon Post Office in Santa Ana, California.

My theory is they tried to trick me into committing fraud in an
attempt to blackmail me into paying a debt I personally dont owe.

This law firm has a history of crookedness.

Anonymous said...

CA Atty General Jerry Brown's office is putting together a lawsuit on this firm.

A Winn Sims collector said that failure to pay a debt "is like stealing".

Dave said...

Years later and this post is still popular and I laugh every time I do read it.

steups said...

I don't get all this hate and envy people have.

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cngame said...

Amazing!But mabe you can try another way to get more information about him.

It was applied successfully in China ,called"Human-Powered Search"!

Maybe I'll write some case about it in my site.

Anonymous said...

Sean, great work I am amused. If anybody enjoys people like W & S being 'played' visit Even you can play... Enjoy CitinSF

Anonymous said...

These type of law offices are the scum of the earth. Scum is putting it lightly. I would not piss on one of these lawyers if they were on fire. And I would like to see one of them on fire would be very amusing.

chris said...

This is pathetic - dont let some asshole people ruin your day

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